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so my little mini music videos

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you know that when you when i make a new

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one of those that just means man

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was that bored

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that's what that means

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[Laughter]

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so but uh i hope you like it i don't

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really play electric guitar too much but

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when i do i freaking play it that's for

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sure

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so uh it's been a while um since last

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week

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and you know i i did miss you guys so

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thanks everybody for showing up today

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uh laura joe's diesel girl mentos jason

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uh anne nice to see you

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um k-42 d

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uh witness citizen always a pleasure

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favorite person

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uh j christopher king how you doing sir

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can't wait to be back with you next week

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on wednesday

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who else am i missing anyone

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that's about it for those of you who are

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in your ufo

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ufo ho 420 okay that's interesting name

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teresa uh thank you so much for being

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here appreciate it

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um yeah we have a great guest on today

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um

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we had stuart on the last week

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and you're familiar with mr j

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christopher king

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um they are both

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they are both

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you know i don't know they both started

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the experiencer group but there's one

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more part of that equation

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that we are missing and we are going to

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talk with her today

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and get to know her because she's an

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awesome person

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that's what i like to do i like to bring

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awesome people

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typically i hope to bring people that

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a lot cooler than me

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i'm pretty much 99 successful with that

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give or take

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uh with that being said i'm gonna stop

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bail i'm gonna stop babbling

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the lady

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happy birthday

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thank you sean

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it was so nice that's it that's all i

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got i love the reverb

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that's all i got yeah

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so how are you

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i'm good i'm having i'm enjoying my

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birthday week my birthday was on monday

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and uh thank you

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i think everyone deserves at least

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a week of birthday maybe a month

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yeah right probably a whole year right

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birthday year

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just continuous birthdays

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you don't do the half birthday thing do

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you oh no no okay all right yeah that

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that's a step too far

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i am known for forgetting my age however

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i've had people i've texted people and

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said oh i'm gonna turn xyz and they're

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like ah no kirsten you're actually

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three years older than you think

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you know let's just go with what you

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look like so let's say 28 29 and we'll

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just stick to that and i won't ask you

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you're my new best friend sean it that

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we should end the show here

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so yeah you um started the experience

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group uh with stuart and jay who are

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fantastic people uh and

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you know for those uh people who have

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been with me for a while now i should

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and you know how there is need for a

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space and almost kind of an anonymous

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space or a space where people can just

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get together and be who they are and

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talk about what they're doing or what

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they've been through

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you know things are not back to normal

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but kind of getting back to normal

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experience or group whether it be

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experiences or people that are involved

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that's a good question um

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possibly what may have changed is we did

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sort of experience or group field trip

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houston texas i shouldn't say we all

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opening of the archives of the

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impossible at rice university

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and uh jay and i were there jay was on a

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panel um which hopefully will come out

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an amazing experience because we

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person many times

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from each other here in new york he's in

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um so we do get together uh

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now that covet is settling down a little

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bit we can get together more often

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but seeing the other members and getting

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to meet some of the folks that uh were

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speaking there was just that was a big

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change and that felt really really good

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i had fomo big time

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i know we missed you

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we really missed you sean

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hopefully something else comes around

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where you know i'll have another

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opportunity because i would

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really love to meet up with you guys and

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you know have a a real human experience

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group for a while is it

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kind of fulfilling that void that that

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kind of exceeded my expectations um

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it's amazing how it sort of developed

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it was it was a bit miraculous like we

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meetups um via zoom with through the

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richard dolan site and that was pretty

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they were they just gave us carte

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blanche i mean they were just like go

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ahead you know do the zoom calls uh with

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our own uh venue and um

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stewart and jay and i made that decision

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together

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it just fell into place so beautifully

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continues to fall into place like we

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continue to

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gain these incredible members

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not only do they express to us how much

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they need something like this to just be

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able to get together and talk to each

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interest in you know who our special

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guests are

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um how the um the website might change

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going forward

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and and then of course the ones who were

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able to be at the event with us and and

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attend a lot of events like that in the

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future so

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bring everything out of the zoom room

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zoom room because we have an

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international group at this point

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i guess synchronicities or things that

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that hey you're on the right path keep

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that's kind of how i was brought up and

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that's kind of how i live my life i

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tell me about that tell me how you were

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brought up if you don't mind sure i mean

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martin he worked in the space and

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defense program in a highly top-secret

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my dad did work for lockheed martin for

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a little while in fact he had a top

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secret clearance as well and he didn't

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that he was working on the sr-71 during

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many young couples and young people at

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that they kind of wanted to

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live a much more kind of authentic life

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you know we had chickens in our backyard

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we had bees on our roof

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my wife can't hear this

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oh chicken it's like your dream

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yeah yeah it was really lovely and

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actually um one of the ways my parents

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made a living for a while was they

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stanford university campus and they

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would put out a little blanket and a

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little display with a bunch of other

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crafts people and they would sell their

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jewelry

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of the campus and my brother and i would

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just take off we would just and there

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were all these other little other little

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kids and older kids and dogs and stuff

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run amok along uh stanford campus so

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a huge part of my childhood was just

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playing around on the campus and and

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honestly sean like they didn't really

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lock anything so i remember wandering

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into classrooms and laboratories and

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just goofing off on the campus

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what is this you know

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yeah

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but you know after my dad sort of went

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from um my parents kind of went from

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being hippies they sort of my dad sort

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of discovered the new age and

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started meditating i ended up going to

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um

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a very alternative school

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called the ananda marga yoga society

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school and

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i was probably in fourth grade so that's

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kind of where i started learning how to

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meditate and you know this sort of

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synchronicity going back to your

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original questions like kind of

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following the breadcrumbs of life and

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sort of seeing the magical mystical

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uh way that life and nature can uh can

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be that started about that and then went

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from there

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it's kind of uh almost

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an organic way to be which which

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you know

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as organic as i seem to think it is it

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seems like um it's so difficult

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for

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some people you know including myself

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sometimes to be that way because the

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choice choices that you're confronted

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with sometimes aren't the easiest that's

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for sure

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um even though they're organic or

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natural they may not you know

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pad the bank account or seemingly

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you know seem safe

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or so to speak but absolutely yeah

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yeah it's hard to live that way and then

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also pay the rent it's it's not easy

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and trust me um i've been through

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times in my life where i had like almost

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nothing and so

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kind of um

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you know had to accept help from my

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family that kind of thing because yeah

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life has been sort of an alternative

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path for me

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let me ask you this now

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you know we hear a lot of uh different

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stories about people who are raised

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in religious households or or something

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like that and that the kids kind of grow

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up and maybe

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become rebellious against that

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you know way of upbringing so to speak

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did you experience that at all with the

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way you were brought up to

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did you ever have a time where you're

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like i'm not into the hippie stuff i'm

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not into the meditation

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you know i'm sick of that i'm going to

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do something else or were you always

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just going with it

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no i definitely left it behind

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me

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when i was 12

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my family my father and mother decided

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to basically sell everything that we had

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in the bay area that included a business

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and and our home that we owned

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um real estate had just shot up you know

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in the 19 late 1970s so they were able

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to basically sell things and get on the

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road and we traveled for

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a year a little over a year around the

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country we were homeschooled my brother

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and i and

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and then we settled in a beautiful place

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called orcas island which is in the san

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juan islands up in washington state

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now

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orcas island is very rich in new age

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spiritual

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philosophical religious communities

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i really got my feel of that

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my parents joined the theosophical

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society and

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we ended up working

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at a theosophical summer camp

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every summer for about three or four

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years and my father became the manager

383
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there so we were we were waist deep in

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hinduism buddhism theosophy clairvoyance

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meditation

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so

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basically by the time i was 18

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i had joined i've gone back to high

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school because i wanted to do that and i

390
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just wanted to leave all that stuff

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behind me so between the years of like

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18 to 30 i probably

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i didn't want to have anything to do

394
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with any of that stuff i was like i was

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still interested in ufos however deeply

396
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interested in ufos i just i was like

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new age enough you know not interested

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wow well what kind of uh turned you

399
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around was it a an experience or was it

400
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a buildup over time

401
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well interestingly um

402
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it was kind of an experience

403
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now that i now that i kind of cast my

404
00:16:10,150 --> 00:16:07,440
mind back to

405
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getting back into spirituality

406
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and

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anomalous

408
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i had a

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not a missing time experience but a

410
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compressed time experience and i don't

411
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know if you know

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or your listeners know what that is

413
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um sort of the opposite of missing time

414
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where

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you you sort of fast forward into a new

416
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new time and space and

417
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yeah and this this was something that

418
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happened with my ex-husband and i we

419
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were

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in the 19

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late 1990s maybe 1996 actually um

422
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and we were driving where we were in los

423
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angeles and we were driving to the bay

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area

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and it would normally take us this is

426
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something that we like to do regularly

427
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even though we were living in seattle we

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would take a lot of road trips so we

429
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were driving from los angeles to bay

430
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area to visit my grandparents who still

431
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lived in los altos hills near palo alto

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and it took us about

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what should have taken us between five

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and six hours took us about two and a

435
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half to three hours

436
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and we were basically talking to each

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other and and probably having a somewhat

438
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sort of spiritual inspired conversation

439
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because that's what we did i mean

440
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um

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he kind of got me back into buddhism and

442
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into

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different ways of looking at

444
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you know things he introduced me to the

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holographic universe

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so we're probably talking about that

447
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kind of thing and all of a sudden we

448
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find ourselves in the bay area and we

449
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were kind of shocked

450
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and amazed

451
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and i never really thought about it

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until

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someone introduced me to the to the

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concept of compressed time and said you

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know that's a thing as well that you can

456
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kind of

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you know

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time races forward instead of

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you know you sort of missing four or

460
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five hours of your time

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well yeah

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have you missed time as well

463
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or i have not not that i know of no

464
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yeah interesting um

465
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it really puts time in perspective i

466
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would imagine uh when you experience

467
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something like that maybe

468
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um

469
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you kind of come to some sort of

470
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maybe it's not that real

471
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right

472
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well and interestingly um at that time i

473
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i i don't remember exactly what books i

474
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was reading i know that the holographic

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universe was sort of a part of our life

476
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at that time but i was also reading a

477
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book called the return of the bird tribe

478
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which i can't remember who the author

479
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was but there is this concept in both of

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those books

481
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that kind of made me think about the

482
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fact that time is really not

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it's sort of a

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a concept that we live by but it's not

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necessarily

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real and

487
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i kind of had this moment um

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and i guess you could call it a bit of a

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download at that time where

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i had this instant kind of vision of

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what it would be like not to have to

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adhere to time and how confusing and

493
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frightening that would be for so many

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people

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yeah

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so many goals

497
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the way you live your life um the way

498
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you take care of yourself from what you

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eat to your daily activities a lot of it

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has revolved around time because you

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know at least the way i look at it the

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only real

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um

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you know symbol of

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time is

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you know your body getting older

507
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decaying you know but it's so funny

508
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because the things we design

509
00:20:03,110 --> 00:19:59,520
you know whether it be buildings or

510
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whatever is also revolved around time

511
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how long will it last you know and it's

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in relation to us because that's how we

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are you know

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but this book i'm reading right now

515
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which is cosmic pulsar life is very

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interesting because it puts it in

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perspective of

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um

519
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you know just because we're used to a

520
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way of designing and building things and

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and looking at things in a certain way

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doesn't mean that there's not a

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completely other

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undiscovered way of doing things

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whatever it may be yeah

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um

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[Music]

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what

529
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have you had like a handful of

530
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experiences or just a couple what

531
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you know if you could say what was

532
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um

533
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maybe your most positive

534
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experience maybe your most negative

535
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experience and why

536
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[Music]

537
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i had a very frightening experience once

538
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on a bus

539
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um

540
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now this was one of those things where

541
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in hindsight um

542
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i believe that this was what people call

543
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a hooded being um

544
00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:18,960
i was living in seattle this was shortly

545
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after i i finished high school and i was

546
00:21:26,789 --> 00:21:24,640
studying ballet on uh

547
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on this area of town called capitol hill

548
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so i would take a bus back and forth

549
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about three days a week to take my class

550
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and

551
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this was probably in the mid 1980s so

552
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to walk on the bus with a hood on and i

553
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don't think it was raining that day was

554
00:21:49,590 --> 00:21:47,520
very unusual because nowadays people

555
00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:49,600
wear hoods but then it wasn't really in

556
00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:51,840
fashion so this person walks on with a

557
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hoodie on with a hood on over his head

558
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and i'm watching him and there's

559
00:22:01,590 --> 00:21:58,799
something about this guy that i

560
00:22:04,630 --> 00:22:01,600
that got my attention

561
00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:04,640
and so i'm staring at him

562
00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:08,640
and he suddenly turns and faces me

563
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and looks me in the eye

564
00:22:15,430 --> 00:22:13,360
and one of his eyeballs is

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gold it's like a golden

566
00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:17,360
ball

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00:22:21,270 --> 00:22:18,960
and he stares at me with this golden

568
00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:21,280
ball and i think that probably was one

569
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of the closest times i'd ever come to

570
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like ontological shock

571
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because i couldn't conceive of a person

572
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having

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a metal eyeball

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and

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the fact that he stared me right in the

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eye

577
00:22:40,950 --> 00:22:38,000
and kind of gave me a look of like i

578
00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:40,960
know you know i'm here

579
00:22:44,549 --> 00:22:42,960
a chill went down my spine like an

580
00:22:45,990 --> 00:22:44,559
absolute like

581
00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:46,000
hair standing up on the back of your

582
00:22:49,990 --> 00:22:48,640
neck chill went down my spine

583
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:50,000
and

584
00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:54,559
holy [\h__\h] like what did i just see it

585
00:22:57,830 --> 00:22:56,559
did you know you think that your brain

586
00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:57,840
goes to all these different places like

587
00:23:01,909 --> 00:23:00,400
okay somehow he created this eyeball he

588
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:01,919
he was missing an eye

589
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:05,440
but to this day i kind of think that was

590
00:23:09,909 --> 00:23:07,360
one of these beings that kind of walks

591
00:23:12,789 --> 00:23:09,919
among us and he knew

592
00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:12,799
something about me and kind of wanted to

593
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:15,360
make himself apparent to me

594
00:23:18,549 --> 00:23:16,799
so that was kind of frightening i have

595
00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:18,559
to say

596
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:23,430
so how do you how do you work

597
00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:25,440
through something like that afterwards

598
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:28,720
do you just kind of brush it off or i

599
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:30,720
mean what can you really do

600
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:32,480
i mean do you dedicate your whole life

601
00:23:36,789 --> 00:23:34,559
to researching like

602
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:36,799
you know was this a real person was this

603
00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:38,880
not a real person i mean

604
00:23:43,029 --> 00:23:40,799
how much time can you really devote to

605
00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:43,039
each experience you know yeah right well

606
00:23:46,310 --> 00:23:44,640
and i have to say sean over the years

607
00:23:47,350 --> 00:23:46,320
especially since the internet has become

608
00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:47,360
so

609
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:49,760
you know available to us the amount of

610
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:52,240
times i've searched you know man with

611
00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:55,200
golden eyeball man with metal eyeball

612
00:24:01,269 --> 00:23:56,080
you know

613
00:24:03,029 --> 00:24:01,279
times i've done that i can't even count

614
00:24:05,350 --> 00:24:03,039
it keeps coming back to me and back to

615
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:05,360
me and back to me um

616
00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:08,880
so i i would say though that most of my

617
00:24:12,549 --> 00:24:11,520
most of my anomalous experiences have

618
00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:12,559
been

619
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:14,320
mostly positive

620
00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:15,840
they've been confusing but mostly

621
00:24:19,510 --> 00:24:17,440
positive and i think i've been really

622
00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:19,520
lucky in that respect

623
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:22,960
because i have talked to you know so

624
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:25,279
many experiencers and the experienced

625
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:26,640
group where

626
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:28,400
their experiences have been downright

627
00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:30,720
traumatic and i don't think i've had

628
00:24:34,390 --> 00:24:32,799
those unless i've completely forgotten

629
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:34,400
them

630
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:36,480
what's your take on that because i mean

631
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:38,640
you're right some people you know

632
00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:40,320
seemingly have

633
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:42,400
pretty negative experiences and there's

634
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:44,640
not much of a different kind of spin you

635
00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:46,640
can even put on it

636
00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:50,080
and some people really have almost

637
00:24:55,110 --> 00:24:52,960
you could say enlightened experiences

638
00:24:56,950 --> 00:24:55,120
positive experiences

639
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:56,960
do you

640
00:25:00,149 --> 00:24:58,480
i tend to think

641
00:25:02,230 --> 00:25:00,159
you know i don't know obviously and i'm

642
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:02,240
not educated enough to say but sometimes

643
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:04,960
i think um these entities or these

644
00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:06,720
things maybe are some sort of a

645
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:09,520
reflection of you know our inside

646
00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:11,600
whether it be fear or not

647
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:13,120
um

648
00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:15,200
or you know what's your take are they

649
00:25:20,789 --> 00:25:16,880
just different

650
00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:20,799
beings that are interacting with us

651
00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:23,120
gosh my first answer to that question is

652
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:30,390
but but but i vacillate

653
00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:32,559
between different theories at different

654
00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:35,520
times and of course depending on who

655
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:37,679
i've spoken to you know

656
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:39,760
because as

657
00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:42,960
the more experiences i talk to the more

658
00:25:46,870 --> 00:25:44,320
um

659
00:25:48,870 --> 00:25:46,880
i study and the more i delve into this

660
00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:48,880
incredible field

661
00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:52,000
the more i change my opinions and the

662
00:25:55,750 --> 00:25:54,960
less opinions i actually end up having

663
00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:55,760
so

664
00:26:02,070 --> 00:25:58,480
you know i for one thing i often feel

665
00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:02,080
like there are a myriad of beings

666
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:03,760
from other worlds

667
00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:06,000
here on earth um

668
00:26:09,190 --> 00:26:07,279
whether they're coming from other

669
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:09,200
planets whether they're coming from

670
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:10,799
other dimensions

671
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:12,720
whether they've been here the whole this

672
00:26:15,029 --> 00:26:14,159
whole time

673
00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:15,039
um

674
00:26:21,269 --> 00:26:18,000
you know i grew up like i said i was

675
00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:21,279
surrounded by theosophists in my teens

676
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:22,080
and

677
00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:23,279
one of the

678
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:25,440
one of my mentors um

679
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:26,720
was

680
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:28,080
the president of the theosophical

681
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:30,480
society her name was dora coons

682
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:33,840
and um she was a person who could see

683
00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:37,039
fairies and could see entities and

684
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:38,960
you know nature beings

685
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:42,159
she also developed this uh healing

686
00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:44,240
modality called therapeutic touch so i

687
00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:46,559
learned that from her and

688
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:49,679
um but she wrote a book um back when she

689
00:26:55,830 --> 00:26:51,600
was quite young called the real world of

690
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:55,840
fairies which i've read many times and

691
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:56,880
what

692
00:27:01,510 --> 00:26:58,480
you know this kind of goes along with

693
00:27:03,430 --> 00:27:01,520
what jacques valet theorized um earlier

694
00:27:05,909 --> 00:27:03,440
in his you know career and that is is

695
00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:05,919
that these beings could very likely be

696
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:07,919
something similar to elves and fairies

697
00:27:13,990 --> 00:27:08,640
and

698
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:14,000
so i go there a lot that that you know

699
00:27:17,909 --> 00:27:16,400
what what we see what

700
00:27:19,430 --> 00:27:17,919
what's happening

701
00:27:21,269 --> 00:27:19,440
with all these different beings is that

702
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:21,279
it's just a myriad it's just an

703
00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:23,520
incredibly complex

704
00:27:27,510 --> 00:27:26,320
group of folks that come in and out of

705
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:27,520
our reality

706
00:27:30,870 --> 00:27:30,000
and that we are basically the proverbial

707
00:27:33,190 --> 00:27:30,880
fish

708
00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:33,200
in the pond that don't know there's

709
00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:35,440
anything past the water

710
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:38,240
right yeah i mean

711
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:40,000
we've hear it all the time like our

712
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:42,720
visual spectrum can always only you know

713
00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:43,840
um

714
00:27:48,389 --> 00:27:45,679
comprehend that much you know even

715
00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:48,399
opposed to like a butterfly so to speak

716
00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:50,559
who's visual spectrum is larger than us

717
00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:52,480
what do they see you know do they see

718
00:27:55,510 --> 00:27:54,080
these things

719
00:27:57,750 --> 00:27:55,520
maybe they don't then we hear people

720
00:27:59,669 --> 00:27:57,760
like elizando you know they talk about

721
00:28:03,190 --> 00:27:59,679
maybe whatever this is has been here the

722
00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:03,200
whole time or or you know and bigelow is

723
00:28:07,590 --> 00:28:04,880
on 60 minutes saying they're walking

724
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:07,600
among us like how many clues can we take

725
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:09,600
right you know to almost get to a point

726
00:28:14,710 --> 00:28:11,200
where it's like okay there's stuff

727
00:28:16,950 --> 00:28:14,720
freaking here here dude

728
00:28:19,110 --> 00:28:16,960
yeah and i can't tell you how refreshing

729
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:19,120
it is to hear folks like like lou

730
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:21,840
elizondo and bigelow for someone like me

731
00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:24,080
who kind of grew up you know surrounded

732
00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:25,840
by this sort of lore

733
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:28,480
um to hear people like that

734
00:28:33,669 --> 00:28:31,520
talk this way it it it kind of makes me

735
00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:33,679
um it kind of opens up my mind and makes

736
00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:34,720
me feel

737
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:36,320
good

738
00:28:41,029 --> 00:28:39,600
yeah yeah like it's okay because

739
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:41,039
i would imagine well maybe you're not

740
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:42,159
like this but

741
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:42,960
um

742
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:46,240
because you've grown up in it so maybe

743
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:48,640
have you lived with less doubt regarding

744
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:50,240
your experiences because of the way you

745
00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:55,430
not exactly because

746
00:29:00,070 --> 00:28:57,840
so my very first anomalous experience

747
00:29:02,630 --> 00:29:00,080
was the angel hair experience where i

748
00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:02,640
was you know a little kid in

749
00:29:06,789 --> 00:29:04,559
elementary school out on the plate

750
00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:06,799
playground and this stuff fell from the

751
00:29:12,310 --> 00:29:09,760
sky and it looked like

752
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:12,320
jelly it was like this white gelatinous

753
00:29:15,269 --> 00:29:13,360
stuff

754
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:15,279
and i talked about this in my interview

755
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:18,000
with stuart um on aliens and artists

756
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:20,880
where you know i picked it up and felt

757
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:22,559
it in my fingers and it dissolved into

758
00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:24,960
my fingers and then we were later told

759
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:26,720
it was spider webs

760
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:28,880
so i just went along thinking okay it

761
00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:32,159
was spider webs and that was but but

762
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:34,480
during that experience i remember

763
00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:36,480
distinctly while i was you know looking

764
00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:38,159
up in the sky and seeing this stuff fall

765
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:39,840
down i must have been seven or eight

766
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:41,520
years old i was like there's something

767
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:42,960
about this

768
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:44,720
that's different

769
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:47,039
yeah isn't that weird yeah and then we

770
00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:48,559
were told there were spider webs we let

771
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:50,960
it go and then after that point in my

772
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:53,279
life i was obsessed with reading

773
00:30:01,590 --> 00:29:56,880
anything i could find about ufos and

774
00:30:02,950 --> 00:30:01,600
cryptids and just anything anomalous so

775
00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:02,960
so that happened and then there was

776
00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:04,559
another period of time and then i forgot

777
00:30:08,710 --> 00:30:06,320
about i didn't i didn't think about it

778
00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:08,720
until it was actually at a lecture at

779
00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:10,720
contact in the desert with grant cameron

780
00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:12,640
who mentioned

781
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:13,360
the

782
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:15,760
phenomenon of angel hair

783
00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:18,399
and that it wasn't spider webs

784
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:21,200
and i sat up in my seat and i was like

785
00:30:24,870 --> 00:30:22,399
oh wait

786
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:24,880
that happened to me i was there i saw

787
00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:27,120
that it happened in the schoolyard which

788
00:30:32,470 --> 00:30:29,440
oddly enough shawn it happens over it

789
00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:32,480
happened over schoolyards a lot

790
00:30:36,950 --> 00:30:34,559
which makes me wonder why why

791
00:30:40,950 --> 00:30:36,960
schoolyards yeah

792
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:40,960
well we do some of the larger cases

793
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:42,320
you know that we know of like westall

794
00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:43,919
for instance or

795
00:30:48,389 --> 00:30:46,399
i think there's one in zimbabwe was it

796
00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:48,399
and and there is plenty here that people

797
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:49,679
don't know about that i've read in the

798
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:51,840
blue book files

799
00:30:56,710 --> 00:30:54,720
that involve children one it was

800
00:30:57,750 --> 00:30:56,720
actually around the socorro case where a

801
00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:57,760
girl got

802
00:31:02,630 --> 00:31:00,240
burned in her face

803
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:02,640
from from a ufo supposedly and that

804
00:31:06,549 --> 00:31:04,559
happened at a school like

805
00:31:09,909 --> 00:31:06,559
there's there's a lot of

806
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:09,919
interest in the school things uh one of

807
00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:12,480
the sightings i've had myself was

808
00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:14,080
um well

809
00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:15,919
to be honest all of them were by school

810
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:23,190
they were all around there yeah so

811
00:31:31,029 --> 00:31:25,200
i wonder

812
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:31,039
early attempt for influence or you know

813
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:33,760
something of that sort i don't know it's

814
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:34,960
hard to say

815
00:31:40,470 --> 00:31:37,679
yeah it is articulate all day

816
00:31:41,909 --> 00:31:40,480
yeah yeah why the schoolyards you know

817
00:31:43,990 --> 00:31:41,919
um

818
00:31:46,870 --> 00:31:44,000
very very interesting yeah

819
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:46,880
so where do you

820
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:49,919
where do you go from from here is it

821
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:52,880
do you seek more experiences are you

822
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:56,159
kind of um you can go with or without it

823
00:32:01,430 --> 00:31:59,440
do you still try to learn from it um or

824
00:32:03,029 --> 00:32:01,440
is it more of a try to cope

825
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:03,039
kind of situation

826
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:06,240
for me personally um

827
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:07,760
it's more

828
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:09,760
along the lines of i want to learn more

829
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:12,880
i am so open to experiences i'm one of

830
00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:15,279
these people who's never seen

831
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:19,120
a ufo in the sky i've never seen a craft

832
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:21,039
i've seen lights that were strange but

833
00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:23,600
i've never actually and i honestly sean

834
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:26,080
i look out my window i when i'm up at

835
00:32:32,149 --> 00:32:29,039
the rooftop when i'm outside i look for

836
00:32:34,470 --> 00:32:32,159
ufos every time i'm outside every time i

837
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:34,480
look out the window and for some reason

838
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:36,720
they don't want to show themselves to me

839
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:37,679
and

840
00:32:44,789 --> 00:32:41,200
um so i'm i'm looking for that i don't

841
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:44,799
know if that's ever going to happen i'm

842
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:48,080
interested in ce5 um i i don't really

843
00:32:51,909 --> 00:32:49,200
know

844
00:32:54,230 --> 00:32:51,919
i i think ce5 is something that is very

845
00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:54,240
personal and individual to the person i

846
00:32:57,750 --> 00:32:56,000
don't think it necessarily has to follow

847
00:32:58,950 --> 00:32:57,760
a certain protocol but

848
00:33:00,389 --> 00:32:58,960
um

849
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:00,399
but i'm

850
00:33:06,789 --> 00:33:03,600
you know my curiosity is um

851
00:33:09,029 --> 00:33:06,799
wide open these days especially now

852
00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:09,039
that there's clearly

853
00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:12,480
such a lot of disclosure happening

854
00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:14,799
within the experiencer community i mean

855
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:17,039
experiencers themselves

856
00:33:19,909 --> 00:33:18,240
are

857
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:19,919
you know they're getting

858
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:22,960
more messages um they are

859
00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:24,640
like on the experience group they're

860
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:27,279
talking to each other i think that is

861
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:28,799
the most important thing that could

862
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:30,960
happen right now as

863
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:33,039
you know the mainstream media and the

864
00:33:37,590 --> 00:33:35,440
military start to

865
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:37,600
roll this information out i don't

866
00:33:41,590 --> 00:33:40,320
necessarily buy into the fact that

867
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:41,600
you know

868
00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:43,279
these objects that are flying around our

869
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:45,840
military are a threat to us

870
00:33:50,549 --> 00:33:47,760
i don't think that they are

871
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:50,559
i don't know of course but

872
00:33:54,549 --> 00:33:52,399
but with all of this information coming

873
00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:54,559
out i think the experiencers need to

874
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:56,399
continue to talk to each other

875
00:33:59,830 --> 00:33:57,519
and

876
00:34:01,990 --> 00:33:59,840
keep that curiosity open

877
00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:02,000
i don't know if you can

878
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:04,080
discuss this or not but

879
00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:06,080
have you noticed the messages that are

880
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:08,480
being received are they somewhat similar

881
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:11,040
to the ones received in years past that

882
00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:13,119
we've heard about

883
00:34:16,629 --> 00:34:15,040
you know this is the thing and and thank

884
00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:16,639
you for asking that question

885
00:34:20,950 --> 00:34:19,359
respectfully because we are very careful

886
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:20,960
about our

887
00:34:25,349 --> 00:34:23,040
our members and their anonymity and

888
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:25,359
their stories we basically um you know

889
00:34:28,389 --> 00:34:26,639
we have an opening statement in our

890
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:28,399
meetings you know don't don't talk about

891
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:30,079
things outside of the meeting

892
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:31,440
but

893
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:33,599
i can say without blowing anyone's cover

894
00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:37,280
that yes the messages continue it's it's

895
00:34:42,550 --> 00:34:39,839
it's uncanny to me how

896
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:42,560
the message the messages that

897
00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:44,560
experiencers get from beings or from

898
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:46,159
their

899
00:34:50,869 --> 00:34:48,879
sightings or whatever are clearly

900
00:34:51,909 --> 00:34:50,879
you know take care of the earth

901
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:51,919
um

902
00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:53,280
be kinder

903
00:34:56,149 --> 00:34:54,480
um

904
00:34:58,150 --> 00:34:56,159
you know

905
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:58,160
we could be in some kind of a danger if

906
00:35:01,109 --> 00:35:00,000
we don't change the trajectory of our

907
00:35:03,990 --> 00:35:01,119
future

908
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:04,000
these are so common and i feel like this

909
00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:06,480
is something that's just

910
00:35:10,950 --> 00:35:08,560
very important you know

911
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:10,960
well you you would think or you would

912
00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:13,280
hope that um whoever

913
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:14,640
these beings are

914
00:35:19,030 --> 00:35:17,040
would also be telling the right person

915
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:19,040
you know who could

916
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:20,079
make

917
00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:22,560
uh an impactful decision

918
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:24,720
um you know whether it be a president or

919
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:26,400
something like that i guess is what i'm

920
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:27,839
saying but

921
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:29,040
we can hope

922
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:31,440
yes we can only open it

923
00:35:36,069 --> 00:35:33,119
maybe they know that most of our leaders

924
00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:36,079
have been proven to be sociopaths so you

925
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:38,400
know it's like maybe they're not quite

926
00:35:41,829 --> 00:35:40,640
the right people to uh to send that

927
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:41,839
message to

928
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:44,240
you can't absorb that you know it's

929
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:46,160
funny to say you've never actually seen

930
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:48,720
like um a saucer but you've seen like

931
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:50,160
lights or whatever

932
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:52,160
um and it's the same for me like and

933
00:35:57,670 --> 00:35:54,640
what i've seen was was really up close

934
00:36:00,630 --> 00:35:57,680
and i didn't see craft it was

935
00:36:01,589 --> 00:36:00,640
you know it was um an object but it

936
00:36:04,630 --> 00:36:01,599
wasn't

937
00:36:07,829 --> 00:36:04,640
metal or anything like that you know

938
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:10,950
you know and i always think like um

939
00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:13,680
is are these things you know what what

940
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:16,240
we see is it what we're built to see you

941
00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:18,480
know can we only see things in a certain

942
00:36:24,829 --> 00:36:19,359
way

943
00:36:27,430 --> 00:36:24,839
know yeah that's a hard question but

944
00:36:29,430 --> 00:36:27,440
um gu

945
00:36:32,790 --> 00:36:29,440
do you think it's okay to try to in

946
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:32,800
invite more interactions or

947
00:36:37,589 --> 00:36:35,520
should it be more organic i guess

948
00:36:39,270 --> 00:36:37,599
you know i mentioned ce5 and i think

949
00:36:41,589 --> 00:36:39,280
that's a very interesting topic because

950
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:41,599
a part of me thinks that if you have to

951
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:44,079
call out and do the action maybe it

952
00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:45,760
shouldn't be done

953
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:48,640
yeah you know i thought yeah very good

954
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:52,320
thought you know i i've had

955
00:36:57,829 --> 00:36:54,960
a certain amount of training with

956
00:36:59,349 --> 00:36:57,839
clairvoyance uh in my past and i'm

957
00:37:01,190 --> 00:36:59,359
actually

958
00:37:03,829 --> 00:37:01,200
currently working on some more training

959
00:37:05,589 --> 00:37:03,839
with a another clairvoyant that i really

960
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:05,599
respect and she's a remote viewer as

961
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:06,400
well

962
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:08,400
and we recently had a conversation

963
00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:09,200
on

964
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:12,079
this very thing and that is protecting

965
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:13,119
yourself

966
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:14,240
um

967
00:37:17,670 --> 00:37:15,839
so

968
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:17,680
basically if you

969
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:19,760
the way i see it right now is that if

970
00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:26,870
to whatever is out there on various

971
00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:29,359
channels of the ether

972
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:31,440
you could be opening yourself up to the

973
00:37:34,470 --> 00:37:32,800
wrong thing

974
00:37:37,109 --> 00:37:34,480
you need to maintain a level of

975
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:37,119
discernment and protection of yourself

976
00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:38,640
whatever you do

977
00:37:42,069 --> 00:37:41,040
and if you basically just say okay bring

978
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:42,079
it on

979
00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:43,200
without

980
00:37:50,230 --> 00:37:45,920
protecting yourself in various ways

981
00:37:53,109 --> 00:37:50,240
um calling upon your you know if it's

982
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:53,119
prayer depending on the person if

983
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:55,359
what you see is your spirit guides if

984
00:38:01,030 --> 00:37:57,839
it's just simply okay i need to

985
00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:01,040
i need to be really clear about what i'm

986
00:38:05,109 --> 00:38:03,280
allowing into my psyche what i'm

987
00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:05,119
allowing into my life

988
00:38:09,430 --> 00:38:06,560
that's kind of those are kinds of things

989
00:38:11,349 --> 00:38:09,440
that i live by and um

990
00:38:13,589 --> 00:38:11,359
and one of the things that the person

991
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:13,599
i'm working with mentioned to me is that

992
00:38:15,750 --> 00:38:14,560
she's

993
00:38:17,349 --> 00:38:15,760
she said that

994
00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:17,359
there are very often people who get

995
00:38:25,589 --> 00:38:21,040
messages and the messages could be

996
00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:25,599
from some kind of negative or um

997
00:38:29,910 --> 00:38:27,680
you know something some kind of energy

998
00:38:31,990 --> 00:38:29,920
that's sort of wanting to take advantage

999
00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:32,000
wanting to control

1000
00:38:37,750 --> 00:38:34,640
and that doesn't bode very well for a

1001
00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:37,760
lot of humans humans are extraordinarily

1002
00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:40,400
easily influenced and we influence each

1003
00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:41,520
other

1004
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:47,760
want to follow something and so i think

1005
00:38:51,030 --> 00:38:49,680
that there are um

1006
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:51,040
you know i don't and i don't want to

1007
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:53,680
sound too a new agey about this because

1008
00:38:59,190 --> 00:38:56,720
i don't really see this as like

1009
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:59,200
you know this separate category of the

1010
00:39:03,910 --> 00:39:00,800
new age

1011
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:03,920
but but i do think that these are tools

1012
00:39:08,310 --> 00:39:06,960
that people have been practicing for

1013
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:08,320
centuries

1014
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:10,400
it's nothing very new

1015
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:12,480
protection is very important that's what

1016
00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:15,200
stewart was kind of saying uh you know

1017
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:17,839
um you know old shaman rituals or

1018
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:20,640
whatever but um who have practiced safe

1019
00:39:25,349 --> 00:39:21,760
ways

1020
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:25,359
to to do this for a long long time

1021
00:39:30,069 --> 00:39:27,760
so so maybe it's more being cognizant of

1022
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:30,079
you know what you're actually doing

1023
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:31,599
rather than

1024
00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:34,480
you know just jumping into the first

1025
00:39:37,990 --> 00:39:36,640
person who says here this is how you do

1026
00:39:39,910 --> 00:39:38,000
it you know

1027
00:39:41,829 --> 00:39:39,920
you know maybe take some time to you

1028
00:39:44,069 --> 00:39:41,839
know be sure who you're listening to and

1029
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:44,079
what the process is perhaps well and

1030
00:39:49,109 --> 00:39:46,720
also i think too that it's very easy for

1031
00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:49,119
outside energies to

1032
00:39:55,589 --> 00:39:53,670
an emotion

1033
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:55,599
in humans in people

1034
00:39:59,750 --> 00:39:56,640
because

1035
00:40:03,190 --> 00:39:59,760
it's very easy to feel like um

1036
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:03,200
kind of a certain level of exuberance or

1037
00:40:08,309 --> 00:40:06,240
a high from these kinds of contacts

1038
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:08,319
and that i think is it's important to

1039
00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:10,560
look at that really carefully because

1040
00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:12,960
you know those kinds of feelings can

1041
00:40:15,910 --> 00:40:15,040
take someone over a cliff

1042
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:15,920
and

1043
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:18,480
you know it's happened

1044
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:20,240
forever so

1045
00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:22,079
to really take a look at what you're

1046
00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:24,800
getting what the messages are um that

1047
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:27,119
stuff is just vitally important

1048
00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:28,079
as you say

1049
00:40:32,230 --> 00:40:30,240
that's a that's a great point i mean in

1050
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:32,240
an emotion so i often control the

1051
00:40:37,750 --> 00:40:35,280
actions right and you think about like a

1052
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:37,760
breakup was you know the worst breakup

1053
00:40:40,870 --> 00:40:39,200
you've been through

1054
00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:40,880
you know how much does that influence

1055
00:40:44,550 --> 00:40:42,560
your decision-making throughout life in

1056
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:44,560
your future relationships or

1057
00:40:47,829 --> 00:40:46,160
now something invisible that you can't

1058
00:40:50,069 --> 00:40:47,839
even see is given you know leaving you

1059
00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:50,079
with an incredible feeling whether it be

1060
00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:52,880
you know something uh akin to

1061
00:40:57,510 --> 00:40:55,680
some sort of affirmation or or heartache

1062
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:57,520
or whatever it is

1063
00:41:01,349 --> 00:40:58,480
um

1064
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:01,359
that can be really a struggle to deal

1065
00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:03,920
with and i yeah i mean i can say that

1066
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:05,200
for certain

1067
00:41:09,670 --> 00:41:07,920
you know and you don't know how much

1068
00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:09,680
um

1069
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:11,200
you know how much

1070
00:41:16,309 --> 00:41:13,920
focus to put on to that be you want to

1071
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:16,319
put all so much focus onto

1072
00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:18,000
you know that experience because it left

1073
00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:20,000
you with such a strong emotion and how

1074
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:22,800
anomalous it is it must be meaningful it

1075
00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:25,520
must mean this or that but you know i

1076
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:27,200
guess maybe that's where

1077
00:41:31,510 --> 00:41:29,920
uh emotional intelligence can be more

1078
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:31,520
important than ever

1079
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:33,599
yeah yeah i agree with you sean and

1080
00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:35,760
actually i have a question for you about

1081
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:37,760
your experience because

1082
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:38,640
um

1083
00:41:43,109 --> 00:41:40,079
i mean you've talked about it before and

1084
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:43,119
it it was it's fascinating to me uh what

1085
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:44,160
you saw

1086
00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:47,200
and did you have any um correlating

1087
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:48,800
emotions or

1088
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:51,200
um sort of leftover

1089
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:54,640
feelings after you had that experience

1090
00:42:19,510 --> 00:41:55,760
i

1091
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:19,520
you know

1092
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:21,599
but still um

1093
00:42:25,829 --> 00:42:24,640
nothing too heavy emotionally i was also

1094
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:25,839
kind of

1095
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:27,760
um

1096
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:35,920
to say it emotionally

1097
00:42:41,349 --> 00:42:37,920
so it's hard for really anything to get

1098
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:43,589
and maybe that's why i had the personal

1099
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:45,440
experience i had that was right in the

1100
00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:47,280
middle of those two sightings that

1101
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:50,000
really did hit me emotionally

1102
00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:51,440
um

1103
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:53,359
and that stayed with me and almost made

1104
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:54,640
the whole

1105
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:56,640
experience what it was

1106
00:43:02,230 --> 00:42:59,520
without that personal uh real-life um

1107
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:02,240
kind of heartache or you know hardship

1108
00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:04,079
that i went through right in the middle

1109
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:06,160
of those two sightings you know on

1110
00:43:11,349 --> 00:43:08,720
opposite sides of that uh real life

1111
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:11,359
experience um

1112
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:12,800
you know it kind of made it this

1113
00:43:17,190 --> 00:43:15,599
all-in-one situation and and almost you

1114
00:43:19,349 --> 00:43:17,200
know and then you start thinking like

1115
00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:19,359
these things whatever it is know that i

1116
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:21,359
i was kind of numb and it

1117
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:24,400
needed to step it up a little bit to hit

1118
00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:26,160
me emotionally or something so that i

1119
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:27,760
was just thinking that like attention to

1120
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:28,560
this

1121
00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:30,720
right yeah like he's not he's not really

1122
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:32,800
getting it like you know we gotta we

1123
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:34,720
gotta turn the dial up a little bit so

1124
00:43:39,030 --> 00:43:36,800
he gets this

1125
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:39,040
how about that one yeah because you i

1126
00:43:43,589 --> 00:43:41,440
don't know possibly um

1127
00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:43,599
you know even more so

1128
00:43:48,069 --> 00:43:46,319
but but those feelings definitely uh

1129
00:43:49,990 --> 00:43:48,079
stuck with me after a while after i

1130
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:50,000
looked at it as a whole picture i mean i

1131
00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:52,160
couldn't stop writing songs about it and

1132
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:55,520
during those times and in writing um i

1133
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:57,520
felt like it came to a point where i was

1134
00:44:00,150 --> 00:43:58,319
almost

1135
00:44:01,750 --> 00:44:00,160
um communicating back and forth with

1136
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:01,760
these things there's could there'd be

1137
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:04,160
times where i'd be done with the take or

1138
00:44:07,109 --> 00:44:05,520
something and go outside and see

1139
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:07,119
something crazy there were

1140
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:09,680
a handful of months maybe four or five

1141
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:11,760
months where i saw so many different

1142
00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:12,720
weird

1143
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:14,720
uh things

1144
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:16,240
happen

1145
00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:18,160
but then it just kind of

1146
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:21,200
petered out for whatever reason

1147
00:44:24,870 --> 00:44:22,720
so

1148
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:24,880
but i'm not and i've been trying to

1149
00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:26,880
decide ever since if if it's something i

1150
00:44:31,990 --> 00:44:30,079
should try to initiate again

1151
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:32,000
um or not

1152
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:34,720
um so i i don't know

1153
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:36,960
so interesting i i've heard people talk

1154
00:44:40,710 --> 00:44:38,960
about how you know they go through these

1155
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:40,720
periods where they have a lot of a lot

1156
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:42,640
of experiences and then these kind of

1157
00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:44,160
dry spells

1158
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:46,480
and i'm i don't know about you but and

1159
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:48,480
i'm actually curious about how how you

1160
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:49,920
feel about it because there's this sort

1161
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:51,440
of longing

1162
00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:54,319
that people have to kind of i mean

1163
00:45:00,069 --> 00:44:56,720
for people who have had seriously

1164
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:00,079
traumatic experiences i'm sure those dry

1165
00:45:05,349 --> 00:45:03,359
periods are a relief because

1166
00:45:07,349 --> 00:45:05,359
their lives are heavily affected and

1167
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:07,359
that's not to be taken lightly

1168
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:09,760
but do you ever feel like i just wanted

1169
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:12,240
to i wanted to come back i want to you

1170
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:13,440
know

1171
00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:17,280
yeah only in the sense of um like

1172
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:18,800
trying to

1173
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:21,839
you know my sample size for for like uh

1174
00:45:26,230 --> 00:45:24,000
my experience and and figuring out

1175
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:26,240
anything about it is so small that's

1176
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:28,319
that's why i would like more is

1177
00:45:31,349 --> 00:45:29,920
just so it's like okay give me some more

1178
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:31,359
chances to wrap my head around this

1179
00:45:37,190 --> 00:45:34,079
thing but i can't do that from looking

1180
00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:37,200
from the outside you know i need to be

1181
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:39,200
experiencing this more but yet if i'm

1182
00:45:44,470 --> 00:45:41,520
initiating it i feel like it's unnatural

1183
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:44,480
because i didn't last time you know

1184
00:45:51,190 --> 00:45:48,319
um so i i don't know um but the plethora

1185
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:51,200
of what happened um in the different

1186
00:45:55,990 --> 00:45:53,839
things i saw was pretty outstanding to

1187
00:45:57,990 --> 00:45:56,000
be honest the oddest thing other than my

1188
00:46:00,230 --> 00:45:58,000
main sighting that i saw was like this

1189
00:46:02,230 --> 00:46:00,240
figure eight shape that just zoomed

1190
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:02,240
right over the top of my head maybe

1191
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:04,800
a foot or two over my head um but this

1192
00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:06,960
big just

1193
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:08,560
went right over my head

1194
00:46:12,069 --> 00:46:10,079
in all black and it was even kind of

1195
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:12,079
hard to pick out from the night sky but

1196
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:13,200
but i did

1197
00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:14,880
and you know

1198
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:16,720
those things were happening it's like

1199
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:18,160
okay

1200
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:20,610
that's fascinating

1201
00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:22,800
[Laughter]

1202
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:25,359
it's like what do you do um

1203
00:46:32,069 --> 00:46:30,400
so yeah i don't know but i guess uh

1204
00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:32,079
yeah it is what it is and that i try to

1205
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:33,520
think about all the different things

1206
00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:35,520
that that could have instigated it was

1207
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:37,599
this that i was doing then or was it not

1208
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:38,480
you know

1209
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:39,440
all that

1210
00:46:43,349 --> 00:46:41,440
but it is what it is it's so interesting

1211
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:43,359
too because um

1212
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:45,760
like i hear that experience and i and i

1213
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:48,400
think to myself god like what what what

1214
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:51,520
can these things or what can

1215
00:46:57,270 --> 00:46:54,400
what can they come up with next like the

1216
00:47:00,150 --> 00:46:57,280
the crazy um

1217
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:00,160
amount of different kinds of

1218
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:03,359
experiences i i i can't even count

1219
00:47:06,870 --> 00:47:05,200
things that come out of the blue things

1220
00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:06,880
that are i mean you look at skinwalker

1221
00:47:10,950 --> 00:47:08,880
ranch and how

1222
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:10,960
mind mind-numbingly

1223
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:12,720
different those

1224
00:47:18,790 --> 00:47:15,680
those events were and then

1225
00:47:20,309 --> 00:47:18,800
you think about how like like

1226
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:20,319
different experiences think to

1227
00:47:24,069 --> 00:47:22,160
themselves and and this i'm kind of

1228
00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:24,079
speaking right for for myself in this

1229
00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:26,240
case too like oh that wasn't that wasn't

1230
00:47:30,069 --> 00:47:28,160
a ufo because it doesn't fit into any

1231
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:30,079
category of what i've heard a ufo it's

1232
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:31,680
not a flying saucer so then it couldn't

1233
00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:34,400
have been a ufo you know but like like

1234
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:36,880
an amorphous cloud that's that's moving

1235
00:47:41,990 --> 00:47:38,960
through space that is sparkling and has

1236
00:47:44,549 --> 00:47:42,000
some life to it it's still a ufo but

1237
00:47:47,589 --> 00:47:44,559
it's not what you think of as a ufo so

1238
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:47,599
your mind is going what the hell is this

1239
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:48,480
yeah

1240
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:49,680
and how do you make sense of it but i

1241
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:50,880
think the almost

1242
00:47:53,589 --> 00:47:52,480
you could say like the one thing that we

1243
00:47:56,790 --> 00:47:53,599
know about

1244
00:48:00,470 --> 00:47:56,800
um the ufos or whatever is behind them

1245
00:48:03,190 --> 00:48:00,480
is um that they are very

1246
00:48:04,549 --> 00:48:03,200
well let's say not predictable or really

1247
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:04,559
definable

1248
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:05,440
um

1249
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:07,440
in any kind of way i guess i did have

1250
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:08,880
one

1251
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:11,440
no now that we're talking and i had this

1252
00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:14,000
was an odd experience

1253
00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:15,680
and

1254
00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:17,680
i'm driving like i go to the gas station

1255
00:48:21,990 --> 00:48:20,000
in the morning i drive past this place

1256
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:22,000
and it looked like and i look over to

1257
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:24,000
the right in in the parking lot of it

1258
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:24,720
are

1259
00:48:30,309 --> 00:48:27,599
like um it almost it looked like

1260
00:48:32,069 --> 00:48:30,319
uh white christmas lights on a tree but

1261
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:32,079
there was no tree

1262
00:48:36,870 --> 00:48:34,800
if that makes sense um so they were just

1263
00:48:39,910 --> 00:48:36,880
uh like lights

1264
00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:39,920
up and down and to the point of where i

1265
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:42,640
did a u-turn went back there it was like

1266
00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:44,160
okay

1267
00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:46,160
i just need to make sure that

1268
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:48,640
like these were a real physical things

1269
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:50,880
and there was nothing there

1270
00:48:54,309 --> 00:48:52,720
was this something that was

1271
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:54,319
so interesting was it something that was

1272
00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:56,160
close to you like in your general

1273
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:58,000
vicinity or was it something far away in

1274
00:49:00,390 --> 00:48:58,960
the sky

1275
00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:00,400
no

1276
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:03,040
if i measured it maybe

1277
00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:06,000
40 feet 50 feet away maybe it was yeah

1278
00:49:11,510 --> 00:49:08,160
you got the two streets

1279
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:11,520
uh the median and so here's me here's

1280
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:12,960
the other streak going the opposite

1281
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:15,119
direction then the parking lot of the

1282
00:49:19,349 --> 00:49:18,000
building like on that side of the street

1283
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:19,359
it was weird and i've never seen it

1284
00:49:24,549 --> 00:49:20,640
again there since

1285
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:24,559
yeah um so it's yeah it's just like

1286
00:49:27,109 --> 00:49:25,680
that was a

1287
00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:27,119
out of nowhere kind of thing in the

1288
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:28,000
morning

1289
00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:30,880
so you know maybe sometimes there are

1290
00:49:35,829 --> 00:49:33,280
more things happening

1291
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:35,839
but you have to kind of

1292
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:37,280
be aware

1293
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:38,480
yeah of

1294
00:49:43,829 --> 00:49:40,880
of what it is that could be happening

1295
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:43,839
yeah well you know jay talks about um

1296
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:45,839
and i think this is brilliant he talks

1297
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:47,119
about how

1298
00:49:51,109 --> 00:49:48,720
if you have an experience it's almost

1299
00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:51,119
like the radio was left on

1300
00:49:55,589 --> 00:49:54,400
and so suddenly the experiences kind of

1301
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:55,599
continue

1302
00:50:00,390 --> 00:49:58,079
or your sensitivities are open to them

1303
00:50:02,630 --> 00:50:00,400
and i sort of i i think that's brilliant

1304
00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:02,640
i think that's very true to what my life

1305
00:50:06,950 --> 00:50:06,079
has has been like but also i compare it

1306
00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:06,960
to

1307
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:10,000
my my sweetheart is a fisherman and

1308
00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:14,000
um we actually did a a little tv show a

1309
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:16,079
little travel tv show about fishing

1310
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:19,359
together yeah for you yeah cute on espn

1311
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:22,240
international and really yeah we did it

1312
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:23,520
was great

1313
00:50:28,309 --> 00:50:24,400
we had

1314
00:50:29,910 --> 00:50:28,319
that was our crew and we traveled up and

1315
00:50:32,150 --> 00:50:29,920
down the east coast and out to the

1316
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:32,160
bahamas yeah it was great called fishing

1317
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:38,630
that's awesome it was great so he kind

1318
00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:40,400
of taught me how to see fish in the

1319
00:50:45,430 --> 00:50:43,520
water because a fisherman can see and

1320
00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:45,440
the fishermen can smell fish too i

1321
00:50:49,349 --> 00:50:47,920
didn't unders i didn't know this is that

1322
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:49,359
you know when you're on a boat you

1323
00:50:54,870 --> 00:50:51,599
suddenly smell fish that might be the

1324
00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:54,880
bait and i'm like no way he's like yep i

1325
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:57,040
can smell the fish well he also taught

1326
00:51:01,910 --> 00:50:59,520
me how to look into the water and what i

1327
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:01,920
would see is i would just see

1328
00:51:05,589 --> 00:51:03,119
rocks and

1329
00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:05,599
leaves and you know seaweed and things

1330
00:51:09,510 --> 00:51:08,240
he's like there's a fish right there and

1331
00:51:10,910 --> 00:51:09,520
all of a sudden it was kind of like

1332
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:10,920
staring at those

1333
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:12,480
1980s

1334
00:51:16,950 --> 00:51:15,280
geometric posters you may be too young

1335
00:51:18,309 --> 00:51:16,960
to know about those where the longer you

1336
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:18,319
stare at them

1337
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:20,880
then this image comes out right

1338
00:51:25,910 --> 00:51:23,280
that's how it was for me to to learn how

1339
00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:25,920
to find fish in the water and i kind of

1340
00:51:30,549 --> 00:51:28,160
feel like there's something to that in

1341
00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:30,559
regards to the phenomenon as well that

1342
00:51:35,910 --> 00:51:33,280
you sort of train yourself

1343
00:51:37,589 --> 00:51:35,920
or as jay says the radio has been left

1344
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:37,599
on and suddenly

1345
00:51:42,309 --> 00:51:40,400
things come out and there there they are

1346
00:51:44,069 --> 00:51:42,319
wow talk about synchronicities yeah that

1347
00:51:45,670 --> 00:51:44,079
book i'm reading right now

1348
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:45,680
literally

1349
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:49,760
uh an hour before this i was the part i

1350
00:51:54,630 --> 00:51:50,880
was reading

1351
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:54,640
was literally about that about uh vision

1352
00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:57,119
and kind of like a vision ray

1353
00:52:01,270 --> 00:51:59,200
and um

1354
00:52:02,950 --> 00:52:01,280
you know these ways to teach yourself

1355
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:02,960
basically how to see

1356
00:52:07,510 --> 00:52:05,200
a person's energy that surrounds their

1357
00:52:09,990 --> 00:52:07,520
body which is about you know

1358
00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:10,000
i don't know i don't remember like a 37

1359
00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:12,480
inch thick or something but but you have

1360
00:52:16,630 --> 00:52:15,040
to like look past them all this stuff um

1361
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:16,640
and kind of teach you how to do it once

1362
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:18,480
you do that you know you're

1363
00:52:21,510 --> 00:52:20,160
you can say you're at least starting on

1364
00:52:23,349 --> 00:52:21,520
the right track of

1365
00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:23,359
uh the phenomenon and everything so it's

1366
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:24,960
just interesting and then we go back to

1367
00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:27,119
earlier in this conversation go full

1368
00:52:31,990 --> 00:52:29,440
circle about how you know you were

1369
00:52:33,510 --> 00:52:32,000
discussing um the synchronicities the

1370
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:33,520
things that would line up

1371
00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:36,400
uh were kind of a symbol for you in

1372
00:52:39,270 --> 00:52:37,920
the experiencer group that things were

1373
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:39,280
going in the right direction you're

1374
00:52:43,109 --> 00:52:40,720
doing good things

1375
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:43,119
um so it's interesting so

1376
00:52:47,910 --> 00:52:46,559
you know i guess what i'm saying is i'm

1377
00:52:49,829 --> 00:52:47,920
gonna pay a little more attention to

1378
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:49,839
that part of the book and maybe give it

1379
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:51,599
a shot

1380
00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:52,960
yeah

1381
00:52:58,950 --> 00:52:55,280
no but that's true and you hear

1382
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:58,960
i think it was like one ce5 thing um or

1383
00:53:02,150 --> 00:53:00,480
you know you do your meditation thing

1384
00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:02,160
then you look up in the sky but you

1385
00:53:06,470 --> 00:53:04,160
don't look at any distinct point you

1386
00:53:07,510 --> 00:53:06,480
just kind of phase out this guy

1387
00:53:09,190 --> 00:53:07,520
um

1388
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:09,200
and you know kind of try to try to take

1389
00:53:13,349 --> 00:53:11,200
it all in at once and that's when

1390
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:13,359
whatever it is will will pop in and

1391
00:53:16,870 --> 00:53:15,280
you'll see it so it's interesting

1392
00:53:18,309 --> 00:53:16,880
incidentally this is how i was

1393
00:53:20,870 --> 00:53:18,319
originally taught

1394
00:53:23,430 --> 00:53:20,880
to see people's auras

1395
00:53:25,109 --> 00:53:23,440
uh which i never was able to see

1396
00:53:27,589 --> 00:53:25,119
um but i was

1397
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:27,599
you know i i went to you know when i was

1398
00:53:30,950 --> 00:53:29,440
a kid that during my time with the

1399
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:30,960
theosophical society there were people

1400
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:32,880
who were teaching us they were like this

1401
00:53:37,349 --> 00:53:35,040
is how you look for an aura it's exactly

1402
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:37,359
how you just explained it from the book

1403
00:53:42,309 --> 00:53:39,760
as well as seeing fairies that seeing

1404
00:53:44,069 --> 00:53:42,319
fairies according to certain people and

1405
00:53:46,069 --> 00:53:44,079
dora coons is one of them that you're

1406
00:53:47,750 --> 00:53:46,079
not really seeing them out of your eyes

1407
00:53:49,829 --> 00:53:47,760
you're seeing them from somewhere in

1408
00:53:52,150 --> 00:53:49,839
between your eyes which is essentially i

1409
00:53:53,670 --> 00:53:52,160
would say it's your third eye

1410
00:53:55,990 --> 00:53:53,680
but you're

1411
00:53:58,870 --> 00:53:56,000
there was always this you know

1412
00:54:02,150 --> 00:53:58,880
instruction of soften your gaze

1413
00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:02,160
you know look through the reality

1414
00:54:05,829 --> 00:54:04,720
and see what you see and i was terrible

1415
00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:05,839
at it

1416
00:54:09,670 --> 00:54:07,520
wow

1417
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:09,680
you could kind of you know if you could

1418
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:11,920
find a way to

1419
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:13,599
maneuver that

1420
00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:15,760
way of thinking for not only your vision

1421
00:54:19,670 --> 00:54:16,800
but

1422
00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:19,680
you know your your consciousness

1423
00:54:22,829 --> 00:54:21,520
so to speak you know maybe there's

1424
00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:22,839
something

1425
00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:25,520
there interesting and because you always

1426
00:54:30,309 --> 00:54:26,960
hear about this mindfulness and that

1427
00:54:32,069 --> 00:54:30,319
seems like almost a physical way of

1428
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:32,079
practicing mindfulness with your eyes

1429
00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:33,760
but you know now i'm just talking out of

1430
00:54:42,150 --> 00:54:39,990
well oddly you make some sense so that

1431
00:54:45,670 --> 00:54:42,160
makes sense i'll let that thing keep

1432
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:45,680
jabbering away then there you go

1433
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:48,000
um

1434
00:54:54,870 --> 00:54:49,359
if you

1435
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:54,880
yes i'm going to ask you to guess

1436
00:54:59,700 --> 00:54:56,400
or speculate

1437
00:55:01,190 --> 00:54:59,710
um do you think any of this is from

1438
00:55:04,069 --> 00:55:01,200
[Music]

1439
00:55:06,630 --> 00:55:04,079
a different planet or galaxy

1440
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:06,640
or just outer space in general or do you

1441
00:55:09,349 --> 00:55:08,240
think um

1442
00:55:12,230 --> 00:55:09,359
the lion

1443
00:55:14,390 --> 00:55:12,240
share of this stuff is something

1444
00:55:16,230 --> 00:55:14,400
you know organic to this earth or or us

1445
00:55:18,549 --> 00:55:16,240
as as humans

1446
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:18,559
i think it must be both

1447
00:55:25,349 --> 00:55:21,920
that's my guess that's cheating

1448
00:55:29,910 --> 00:55:27,750
i i just think it would be arrogant of

1449
00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:29,920
us to say that we're alone in the

1450
00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:33,359
universe and i i really do it's like

1451
00:55:37,829 --> 00:55:35,119
it's like saying

1452
00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:37,839
that humans are are the most intelligent

1453
00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:40,480
beings on the planet i i feel like

1454
00:55:45,349 --> 00:55:43,839
that's an arrogant statement and

1455
00:55:49,829 --> 00:55:45,359
and

1456
00:55:54,470 --> 00:55:52,150
thank you jay

1457
00:55:57,750 --> 00:55:54,480
my quote of the week

1458
00:56:00,390 --> 00:55:57,760
um i yeah i i do i actually i think that

1459
00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:00,400
there are beings from other planets

1460
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:03,280
literally walking a month among us i i

1461
00:56:07,349 --> 00:56:05,280
honestly do i think they've been here

1462
00:56:09,589 --> 00:56:07,359
they've been visiting us they find they

1463
00:56:13,510 --> 00:56:09,599
don't just find us interesting but there

1464
00:56:16,309 --> 00:56:13,520
are things here on earth they need and

1465
00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:16,319
i i can only say that because i've read

1466
00:56:20,230 --> 00:56:17,760
a lot of books

1467
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:20,240
i'm reading re-reading for like the

1468
00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:22,400
third or fourth time um

1469
00:56:28,069 --> 00:56:24,640
the flying saucers and the three men by

1470
00:56:31,030 --> 00:56:28,079
albert bender and uh oh wow

1471
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:31,040
yeah a great i haven't read it yet

1472
00:56:35,589 --> 00:56:33,280
it's great and i think it's the original

1473
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:35,599
copy i got it from antique store

1474
00:56:39,190 --> 00:56:38,079
it's that you're so lucky because it's a

1475
00:56:41,910 --> 00:56:39,200
gem

1476
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:41,920
and there's so much hidden

1477
00:56:46,390 --> 00:56:44,400
meaning to that book and

1478
00:56:49,349 --> 00:56:46,400
and then of course gray barker who kind

1479
00:56:52,549 --> 00:56:49,359
of co-wrote it he later uh well between

1480
00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:52,559
the time that um that albert bender

1481
00:56:57,109 --> 00:56:54,720
was told not to speak about these things

1482
00:56:58,710 --> 00:56:57,119
by the beings who were coming to him and

1483
00:57:01,270 --> 00:56:58,720
the time where he was allowed to speak

1484
00:57:03,430 --> 00:57:01,280
about the things gray barker wrote a

1485
00:57:05,109 --> 00:57:03,440
book say that's called they knew too

1486
00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:05,119
much about the flying saucers something

1487
00:57:08,710 --> 00:57:06,640
along those lines

1488
00:57:11,670 --> 00:57:08,720
and i think there's some amazing hidden

1489
00:57:13,190 --> 00:57:11,680
gems in those books and i you know at

1490
00:57:15,750 --> 00:57:13,200
the archives

1491
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:15,760
uh of the impossible i got to have a

1492
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:17,440
drink with whitley strieber and we were

1493
00:57:21,589 --> 00:57:19,920
talking about that book those two books

1494
00:57:25,349 --> 00:57:21,599
and he looked at me and he said

1495
00:57:28,870 --> 00:57:27,750
and you're like okay i'm going to read

1496
00:57:31,109 --> 00:57:28,880
that one again

1497
00:57:32,470 --> 00:57:31,119
do it again as soon as i get home

1498
00:57:33,510 --> 00:57:32,480
yeah

1499
00:57:34,870 --> 00:57:33,520
awesome

1500
00:57:36,390 --> 00:57:34,880
um

1501
00:57:39,030 --> 00:57:36,400
if you could

1502
00:57:41,190 --> 00:57:39,040
well actually if you don't mind let's

1503
00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:41,200
touch on this if you have time

1504
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:42,720
um

1505
00:57:49,589 --> 00:57:45,839
are there any unique challenges to

1506
00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:49,599
um being a female in this space that

1507
00:57:54,950 --> 00:57:50,880
should be addressed or need to be

1508
00:57:55,910 --> 00:57:54,960
addressed or anything like that

1509
00:58:00,390 --> 00:57:55,920
yeah

1510
00:58:03,190 --> 00:58:00,400
to my answer here

1511
00:58:04,549 --> 00:58:03,200
try not to be too long-winded um one of

1512
00:58:06,549 --> 00:58:04,559
my big

1513
00:58:07,510 --> 00:58:06,559
um

1514
00:58:08,549 --> 00:58:07,520
goals

1515
00:58:11,829 --> 00:58:08,559
at the moment

1516
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:11,839
a stretch goal here is to bring

1517
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:15,040
to the forefront of not just ufology but

1518
00:58:20,470 --> 00:58:17,280
the anomalous um

1519
00:58:21,510 --> 00:58:20,480
and paranormal world in general is

1520
00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:21,520
the

1521
00:58:27,349 --> 00:58:26,640
who have been doing this for a long time

1522
00:58:28,549 --> 00:58:27,359
so

1523
00:58:31,589 --> 00:58:28,559
the women

1524
00:58:33,829 --> 00:58:31,599
specifically in ufology would be

1525
00:58:36,630 --> 00:58:33,839
um you know the leslie keynes the diana

1526
00:58:39,670 --> 00:58:36,640
pasulkas the kathleen martins

1527
00:58:41,109 --> 00:58:39,680
the yvonne smith's the core lorenzens

1528
00:58:42,230 --> 00:58:41,119
from apro

1529
00:58:44,789 --> 00:58:42,240
um

1530
00:58:48,710 --> 00:58:44,799
you know there are there are so many

1531
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:48,720
women who have been diligently working

1532
00:58:53,270 --> 00:58:51,359
very hard and some of them have been on

1533
00:58:55,270 --> 00:58:53,280
the forefront but most of them have been

1534
00:58:57,109 --> 00:58:55,280
behind the scenes because

1535
00:59:00,789 --> 00:58:57,119
as many know

1536
00:59:02,870 --> 00:59:00,799
ufology specifically is a very

1537
00:59:04,789 --> 00:59:02,880
male dominated scene

1538
00:59:06,789 --> 00:59:04,799
and it it's

1539
00:59:08,789 --> 00:59:06,799
the women get respect but they don't get

1540
00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:08,799
enough exposure and

1541
00:59:14,470 --> 00:59:12,000
it's the women i find that have been

1542
00:59:15,910 --> 00:59:14,480
working closely with experiencers this

1543
00:59:17,270 --> 00:59:15,920
whole time

1544
00:59:19,270 --> 00:59:17,280
so

1545
00:59:21,510 --> 00:59:19,280
they've been carefully nurturing

1546
00:59:24,390 --> 00:59:21,520
relationships with experiencers

1547
00:59:27,190 --> 00:59:24,400
carefully helping them and carefully

1548
00:59:29,670 --> 00:59:27,200
coming up with ways to

1549
00:59:32,470 --> 00:59:29,680
help them through the trauma help them

1550
00:59:34,390 --> 00:59:32,480
through the joy and be able to

1551
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:34,400
know that they're not crazy

1552
00:59:39,270 --> 00:59:37,440
so that's a huge subject for me and very

1553
00:59:40,950 --> 00:59:39,280
very close to my heart and something i'm

1554
00:59:42,069 --> 00:59:40,960
working uh

1555
00:59:44,309 --> 00:59:42,079
towards

1556
00:59:47,589 --> 00:59:44,319
the other second part of the answer to

1557
00:59:48,789 --> 00:59:47,599
your question is that as a woman

1558
00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:48,799
in

1559
00:59:54,630 --> 00:59:53,520
have the ability to we have a very

1560
00:59:56,710 --> 00:59:54,640
robust

1561
00:59:57,670 --> 00:59:56,720
women's group at on the experiencer

1562
00:59:59,510 --> 00:59:57,680
group we

1563
01:00:02,630 --> 00:59:59,520
meet twice a month

1564
01:00:04,630 --> 01:00:02,640
and i run this group along with my dear

1565
01:00:06,470 --> 01:00:04,640
friend linda white

1566
01:00:11,030 --> 01:00:06,480
who has been a psychologist for the last

1567
01:00:13,030 --> 01:00:11,040
35 years so she is amazing as a co-host

1568
01:00:14,950 --> 01:00:13,040
what we have the ability to do is talk

1569
01:00:17,030 --> 01:00:14,960
freely amongst ourselves about the

1570
01:00:20,710 --> 01:00:17,040
things that have gone on uh during

1571
01:00:24,309 --> 01:00:20,720
abduction contact dream states

1572
01:00:26,150 --> 01:00:24,319
out of body experiences etc

1573
01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:26,160
and these things are

1574
01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:27,280
quite

1575
01:00:30,470 --> 01:00:28,880
astounding

1576
01:00:32,470 --> 01:00:30,480
so there's

1577
01:00:34,549 --> 01:00:32,480
i guess what i would say is that i i

1578
01:00:35,829 --> 01:00:34,559
feel like the flight of women in the

1579
01:00:38,230 --> 01:00:35,839
anomalous

1580
01:00:40,390 --> 01:00:38,240
needs to come forward even more and i

1581
01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:40,400
also feel at the same time very lucky to

1582
01:00:46,390 --> 01:00:43,920
be a woman in this field because i can

1583
01:00:52,150 --> 01:00:49,109
delve deep into these subjects

1584
01:00:53,910 --> 01:00:52,160
yeah well thank you so much for that um

1585
01:00:56,390 --> 01:00:53,920
i can only

1586
01:00:59,910 --> 01:00:56,400
do my best to try to understand and try

1587
01:01:01,829 --> 01:00:59,920
to help with anything i can help with so

1588
01:01:03,910 --> 01:01:01,839
all i ever ask is that people just let

1589
01:01:06,390 --> 01:01:03,920
me know what i should be doing that's

1590
01:01:09,270 --> 01:01:06,400
all because you know sometimes

1591
01:01:11,349 --> 01:01:09,280
um well just like everybody else i guess

1592
01:01:13,430 --> 01:01:11,359
i'm just looking straight forward

1593
01:01:14,230 --> 01:01:13,440
through my own eyes and you know going

1594
01:01:15,589 --> 01:01:14,240
over

1595
01:01:17,990 --> 01:01:15,599
going for my own

1596
01:01:19,109 --> 01:01:18,000
you know goals or whatever it is so

1597
01:01:21,030 --> 01:01:19,119
um but

1598
01:01:23,990 --> 01:01:21,040
um part of what i'd like to do with my

1599
01:01:27,430 --> 01:01:24,000
life is is help in situations that that

1600
01:01:28,549 --> 01:01:27,440
need help in any way i can um and i know

1601
01:01:30,789 --> 01:01:28,559
um

1602
01:01:32,069 --> 01:01:30,799
ufology especially yeah is just

1603
01:01:35,270 --> 01:01:32,079
dominated

1604
01:01:37,990 --> 01:01:35,280
um by by men when it it doesn't really

1605
01:01:39,670 --> 01:01:38,000
necessarily make sense to me either like

1606
01:01:41,430 --> 01:01:39,680
not in a sexist way or anything like

1607
01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:41,440
that but women are just

1608
01:01:45,589 --> 01:01:42,480
um

1609
01:01:47,190 --> 01:01:45,599
generally more caring and

1610
01:01:48,710 --> 01:01:47,200
intelligent

1611
01:01:50,069 --> 01:01:48,720
so to speak so

1612
01:01:52,309 --> 01:01:50,079
you know anything i can do to help with

1613
01:01:53,589 --> 01:01:52,319
that anybody listening or yourself you

1614
01:01:55,829 --> 01:01:53,599
just let me know

1615
01:01:57,510 --> 01:01:55,839
sean that's lovely and i may be taking

1616
01:01:59,829 --> 01:01:57,520
advantage of your good nature and your

1617
01:02:01,670 --> 01:01:59,839
offer

1618
01:02:03,510 --> 01:02:01,680
any time if you think it's a guest that

1619
01:02:06,549 --> 01:02:03,520
wants to talk or whatever you know you

1620
01:02:08,710 --> 01:02:06,559
just let me know hey i i will take you

1621
01:02:11,109 --> 01:02:08,720
up on that because yeah i think what

1622
01:02:13,990 --> 01:02:11,119
you're doing here is incredible um

1623
01:02:15,510 --> 01:02:14,000
you know before the show started i

1624
01:02:17,190 --> 01:02:15,520
i know we're running out of time but i

1625
01:02:19,029 --> 01:02:17,200
just think that you're

1626
01:02:22,069 --> 01:02:19,039
the your interviews the guests you've

1627
01:02:24,870 --> 01:02:22,079
had on my dear brother jay king i mean

1628
01:02:27,670 --> 01:02:24,880
you guys are doing amazing stuff here so

1629
01:02:29,589 --> 01:02:27,680
well i really really appreciate it i'm

1630
01:02:32,069 --> 01:02:29,599
just trying to lead with the heart and

1631
01:02:34,630 --> 01:02:32,079
see where that takes me as long as the

1632
01:02:36,390 --> 01:02:34,640
synchronicities keep coming my way i'll

1633
01:02:37,589 --> 01:02:36,400
keep following so

1634
01:02:38,950 --> 01:02:37,599
that's great

1635
01:02:41,109 --> 01:02:38,960
it's working

1636
01:02:43,029 --> 01:02:41,119
well thank you i love what you guys are

1637
01:02:44,789 --> 01:02:43,039
doing with the experiencer group um i

1638
01:02:47,910 --> 01:02:44,799
think you're a great phenomenal person

1639
01:02:49,589 --> 01:02:47,920
um and i urge anybody who wants a

1640
01:02:51,910 --> 01:02:49,599
confidential place to talk with people

1641
01:02:54,150 --> 01:02:51,920
that really care and are there

1642
01:02:56,549 --> 01:02:54,160
you know for you really to create a safe

1643
01:02:58,470 --> 01:02:56,559
space um go there i put the website in

1644
01:03:00,309 --> 01:02:58,480
in the description here they also have

1645
01:03:02,309 --> 01:03:00,319
some great youtube interviews as well

1646
01:03:04,309 --> 01:03:02,319
that that you can check out so if you

1647
01:03:05,829 --> 01:03:04,319
want to get a little more of a feel for

1648
01:03:08,470 --> 01:03:05,839
him you can hear more about her

1649
01:03:10,789 --> 01:03:08,480
experiences on stewart's channel aliens

1650
01:03:13,510 --> 01:03:10,799
and artists who we had on last week

1651
01:03:15,430 --> 01:03:13,520
um so with that being said i'm just

1652
01:03:16,710 --> 01:03:15,440
going to say thank you and i know this

1653
01:03:18,950 --> 01:03:16,720
is you know

1654
01:03:20,470 --> 01:03:18,960
um only the beginning of our

1655
01:03:22,309 --> 01:03:20,480
time together in our relationship and

1656
01:03:24,870 --> 01:03:22,319
experiences with one another so i look

1657
01:03:27,270 --> 01:03:24,880
forward to having more

1658
01:03:28,549 --> 01:03:27,280
anything else you want to say or leave

1659
01:03:30,470 --> 01:03:28,559
on or

1660
01:03:31,990 --> 01:03:30,480
no i well except i just want to thank

1661
01:03:35,430 --> 01:03:32,000
everybody who you mentioned people are

1662
01:03:37,349 --> 01:03:35,440
in the chat and i love you guys and uh

1663
01:03:39,270 --> 01:03:37,359
many of those names i recognize and i'm

1664
01:03:41,270 --> 01:03:39,280
just so happy that you're here

1665
01:03:44,470 --> 01:03:41,280
and uh and i appreciate this job very

1666
01:03:45,750 --> 01:03:44,480
much yeah hey pleasure's all mine

1667
01:03:50,230 --> 01:03:45,760
all right

1668
01:03:53,670 --> 01:03:50,240
thank you talk to you soon i hope okay

1669
01:03:58,470 --> 01:03:56,309
all right that was fantastic uh

1670
01:04:00,549 --> 01:03:58,480
interview that was really great um

1671
01:04:02,789 --> 01:04:00,559
really appreciate our time

1672
01:04:04,630 --> 01:04:02,799
and donating it to this show so we can

1673
01:04:05,430 --> 01:04:04,640
get to know her and you can get to know

1674
01:04:06,309 --> 01:04:05,440
more

1675
01:04:09,190 --> 01:04:06,319
um

1676
01:04:10,789 --> 01:04:09,200
with that being said i'll be back doing

1677
01:04:12,950 --> 01:04:10,799
another show at some point i'm not sure

1678
01:04:14,309 --> 01:04:12,960
when we have a great guest on wednesday

1679
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:14,319
with jay

1680
01:04:15,910 --> 01:04:14,730
um

1681
01:04:17,349 --> 01:04:15,920
[Music]

1682
01:04:20,309 --> 01:04:17,359
and

1683
01:04:21,990 --> 01:04:20,319
so

1684
01:04:23,829 --> 01:04:22,000
hopefully if you're familiar with who

1685
01:04:26,390 --> 01:04:23,839
that is if you're not

1686
01:04:28,549 --> 01:04:26,400
you'll find out right quick

1687
01:04:30,230 --> 01:04:28,559
so i'll make that event for you so i'll

1688
01:04:33,430 --> 01:04:30,240
get that up going soon and i'm gonna do

1689
01:04:34,870 --> 01:04:33,440
like a solo show pretty soon just to uh

1690
01:04:37,190 --> 01:04:34,880
get some things that i've learned

1691
01:04:39,430 --> 01:04:37,200
recently out of my system so

1692
01:04:42,549 --> 01:04:39,440
um thanks everybody for being here uh

1693
01:04:45,270 --> 01:04:42,559
steph uh laura josh lionel jay

1694
01:04:47,510 --> 01:04:45,280
uh joe swatter lily everybody um

1695
01:04:49,430 --> 01:04:47,520
alexander and

1696
01:04:51,589 --> 01:04:49,440
i really appreciate you guys being here

1697
01:04:55,670 --> 01:04:51,599
uh and being so supportive

1698
01:05:00,549 --> 01:04:55,680
um wouldn't be doing this without you so

1699
01:05:05,270 --> 01:05:02,470
oh jay's got something to say mike

1700
01:05:06,549 --> 01:05:05,280
leland is an amazing writer tinker he's

1701
01:05:09,349 --> 01:05:06,559
brilliant

1702
01:05:10,470 --> 01:05:09,359
looking forward i agree jay

1703
01:05:12,390 --> 01:05:10,480
until then

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01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:12,400
my wednesday friend

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01:05:56,380 --> 01:05:15,290
stay good

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01:06:05,990 --> 01:05:56,390
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so

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